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Soldato
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Behold the DJI CCM.

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I'm proud to say, I've never opened my backpack and discovered I'd packed the wrong box

Genius comes, once, maybe twice in a life time.
 
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I noticed a long delay this evening when taking photos. I started pressing the shutter twice just to make sure it had taken it. Before today I've not experienced any delays. Probably needs a firmware fix.

INTERESTING - yes because it eventually takes at some point, it does always take the amount of images the number of times I press the shutter button - it just takes ages, which indicates a firmware bug to me, either way its gone back now & I am waiting on a replacement
 
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Tempted to get one.

But its probably the sort of thing I'd use twice and leave in the box for 20 years and then just bin it.
 
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Delighted with it. Amazing bit of kit...quite a step up from my original DJI Mini.

Pleasantly surprised to find that the Mini 3 and DJI RC both fit into my original Mini's shoulder bag! This is despite reviews on Amazon saying it wouldn't.
 
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Yesterday, I obtained some ND filters from Skyreat. Full disclosure, these were provided at no cost to me.

I've not had a huge amount of time with these but I thought I'd post a quick look as I know many folk are bemoaning the lack of ND filters in the Fly More kit.

The kit came with 5 ND filters and a polarizer.
ND8,16,32,64,128

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The filters are made of plastic but feel well made.

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They are very light. Lighter in fact than the DJI lens shroud!

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So, by using these you save a whole 0.12g! You can use that to - I don't know - add a sticker? Or maybe some dust?

I shot the same image sat on my garden table, exposed for the sky with each filter and without. All in manual mode with manual WB and ISO.

No filter - 1/500s
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ND8 - 1/60s
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ND16 - 1/30s
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ND32 - 1/15s
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ND64 - 1/12.5
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ND128 - 1/5s
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Polarizer - 1/240s
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As you can see, there is very little colour cast caused by the filters. Maybe a touch of additional warmth. No additional vignetting either.

Here's a quick Youtube of no filter at 1/400s vs ND8 at 1/30. Shot at 30fps.


Overall, I like these and would buy them with my own money. They seem to do the job they are for. At £49 they are good value compared to the DJI ones. My only complaint is that with the very fast lens on the Mini 3, I wish they started at ND32 and went up to ND512. On a bright day, I don't think ND128 is going to be enough.
 
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@Rilot Perfect timing, I was only looking at these last night. Can you confirm that the polarizing filter only works in portrait mode please? Somebody posted that on one of the reviews. I have seen other people's filter sets and a lot of makers are going with a circular one one the CPL so that you can rotate it if you plan to shoot in different orientations. Also i saw a set last night which went to nd1000. After your comment, I think i might be more inclined to go for that one.
 
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Interesting development:

In June 2022 the CAA consulted on whether to extend the Legacy and Transitional UAS provisions in the Open category. Further details about the consultation can be found here.

The CAA believed an extension would likely be necessary due to the UK not having in place the necessary infrastructure to move away from non-class marked UAS, to class marked UAS by 01 Jan 2023. Namely,

  • The establishment of the market surveillance authority,
  • Establishment of conformity assessment bodies,
  • Creation and adoption of relevant standards.
    The purpose of the consultation was to gauge stakeholder support for, or against, an
    extension to the Legacy and Transitional UAS provisions described above, and for how
    long, and to better understand the impact of making this change, or not.
Chapter 2

Executive Summary
The consultation is now closed. In total the CAA received 4506 responses across the five questions posed.

The RPAS Policy Team who instigated the consultation would like to make clear every response was individually reviewed by the CAA.

The following is a statistical breakdown of responses from questions 1 through to 4.

The CAA asked:

“Would you be in favour of extending the provisions for Legacy category UAS in the

Open Category”.

You said:
Option Total Percent
Yes 4415 97.98
No 71 1.58
I don’t know 20 0.44
Not answered 0 0

The CAA asked:

“Over what additional period should the extension for the Legacy category be
valid?”
You said:
Option Total Percent
12 months 105 2.33
24 months 1120 24.86
Longer than 24 months 3187 70.73
Not answered 94 2.09

The CAA asked:

“Would you be in favour of extending the provisions for Transitional category UAS in the Open Category?”

You said:

Option Total Percent

Yes 4357 96.69
No 73 1.62
I don’t know 76 1.69
Not answered 0 0

The CAA asked:
“Over what additional period should the extension for the Transitional category be valid?”
You said:
Option Total Percent
12 months 97 2.15
24 months 732 16.25
Longer than 24 months 3522 78.16
Not answered 155 3.44

The CAA asked an additional question that provided our regulated a community an opportunity to discuss their choices in greater detail.

“Do you have any additional comments in relation to the proposed extension including any impact of either extending, or not extending these provisions may have for you?”

In total, the CAA received 2411 responses to this additional question. Each of the 2411 response comments was read and grouped accordingly. What emerged were some common themes outlined below.

Environmental Impact

A significant proportion of respondents were concerned about the environmental impact of having potentially thousands of UAS, many of which still functional, becoming e-waste at the end of the transitional and legacy periods. You said at the point Class Marked UAS are available then the industry would see a natural retirement of legacy and transitional UAS.

Economic Impact

The majority of responses focused on the economic impact of having to upgrade to Class Marked UAS after investing significantly in Legacy, and Transitional UAS. The CAA were told the current regulation, if allowed to continue, would push not only recreational, but also commercial operators out of the market.

Investment Uncertainty

Many of you told us your business have held off purchasing much needed UAS with increased capability out of concern for their future in the Open Category. The uncertainly currently surrounding Class Marked UAS which is creating uncertainty within your business operations.

Safety

A significant percentage of respondents made the argument against Class Marked UAS in the Open Category. Citing the low volume of incidents that currently occur between those who abide by the current regulatory regime.

Clarification of the CAA’s role

A common theme in the responses is the assumption it is in the CAA’s power to make this decision alone. Changes to policy and regulation are made by the Department for Transport and the Government. When the CAA identifies an area of policy or regulation to update, create, or amend, we submit an opinion to the Department for Transport who will consider it. As discussed in Chapter 3, the CAA has submitted our opinion on this matter to the DfT for consideration.

CAP 2367 Chapter 3: Next steps

There is a clear and significant majority who favour an extension to both provisions beyond twenty-four months.

This has been a valuable exercise for the CAA to learn why the regulated community was in favour of this. It has shaped our own opinion significantly and moulded our response to the Department for Transport.

To that end, the CAA have recommended to the DfT that:

All provisions should be extended indefinitely and the class marking scheme should be reevaluated.
This will form part of a larger investigation into the current UAS Open Category regulatory framework and what is most suitable for the United Kingdom. This is to ensure any solution suitably addresses the needs of the community as well as addresses safety and security risks in a proportional manner.

Notwithstanding a re-evaluation of the class marking scheme an extension should be indefinite at least until the consumer can purchase Class Marked UAS on the open market. At that point, consideration could be given to the re-introduction of a transitional period. This would ensure that the regulated
community has a suitable amount of time to naturally phase out older UAS whilst at the same time having the option to purchase Class Marked UAS. This approach would significantly mitigate almost all areas of concern raised in the responses to the consultation.

Details of the recommendation to government, including the policy objective, rationale and draft regulatory text, will be published on the CAA Safety policy and legislation project tracker website in due course.
 
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Having acquired an Air2 and the FPV in the last few months I'm glad to see the CAA taking what appears to be a very sensible approach, we can but hope the DfT takes it onboard.
 
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So I know have an itch for FPV drones (for freestyle mainly, though in future I may want to mount a camera for the purpose of photogrammetry) after watching a behind the scenes video on how Michael Bay used it for the film ambulance. I'm still just window shopping and learning about the hobby in general before I decide whether or not to pull the trigger.

Regulation (for the UK), what do I need to know before I get into this?

From a few pages back I know there are licenses that appear to be tied to drone weight? There is also an online test to take to get the licenses.
I think someone briefly mentioned that transmitters are power limited in the UK?
Are there any obscure slightly less obvious regulation that I should know about?

Any good UK based FPV drone youtubers that would be worth watching?

How often do races and competitions occur in the UK?
 
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Flying fpv in the UK requires you to have an observer with line of sight to the drone at all times if you are not flying in a dedicated space such as a proper race/practice area (at which point everybody is considered observers as I understand it), https://fpvuk.org/ has loads of information and offers membership with £5M public liability insurance for £20 a year, you can also register for your CAA drone operator ID at the same time. Joining also gives you the ability to fly under article 16 regulations which removes a lot of the restrictions in place for drones 250g and above and allows you to fly right up to built up areas, 30 meter (bubble not cylinder) separation from people and in recreational parks (you'll need to complete a risk assessment first) as well.

I'm not sure what the race scene is as it's not something I've looked into much, the above is all based on me having got the DJI FPV back in April as a present and looking into the regulations on flying it as legally as possible, the main rule of thumb is pretty much just don't be a muppet and annoy people, common sense required :)

If you're anywhere near me (Clanfield, Hants) you'd be more than welcome to come have a fly of the DJI FPV.
 
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Flying fpv in the UK requires you to have an observer with line of sight to the drone at all times
How rigid are they about this? Is it going to depend on the officer who catches you?

If you're anywhere near me (Clanfield, Hants) you'd be more than welcome to come have a fly of the DJI FPV.
Thank you for the offer but I would not be comfortable flying someone else drone because I would be too paranoid about breaking it.

Have you by any chance used the simulators such as LiftOff or Velocidrone or the one that comes with the DJI? How did it feel?
 
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How rigid are they about this? Is it going to depend on the officer who catches you?


Thank you for the offer but I would not be comfortable flying someone else drone because I would be too paranoid about breaking it.

Have you by any chance used the simulators such as LiftOff or Velocidrone or the one that comes with the DJI? How did it feel?
Absolutely no idea on how rigidly it'll be enforced, my gut says that it will absolutely depend on the officer at the time combined with where you are flying and your behaviour, but who knows.

You'd be fine flying it in normal and sport modes, manual would be another matter entirely but even then it has the emergency stop option so as long as you are high enough and away from obstacles I'd only be moderately nervous lmao :D

I've played a fair bit of liftoff, used a PS4 controller initially which was awful, when I got the FPV I was able to plug in the DJI controller which is so much better, add in the DJI FPV DLC and around 6 or 7 hours later I was confident enough for my first manual flight, I am far more timid in real life obviously, I've still managed to crash it once, though it did take me until my fourth manual flight to do so and I got away with a few bent props and the need to clean the shredded wheat off the drone :D
 
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I really fancy a DJI FPV. Seriously considering selling the Air 2S to pay for one considering the Mini 3 is nearly as good for photography and I've not flown the 2S since my initial comparison shots with the Mini 3.
 
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I really fancy a DJI FPV. Seriously considering selling the Air 2S to pay for one considering the Mini 3 is nearly as good for photography and I've not flown the 2S since my initial comparison shots with the Mini 3.

AIr2S is surplus to requirements once you have the mini 3 unless you need the higher wind speed flight or (slightly) better pic quality but there isnt enough in it for me. I love my mini 3, take it pretty much everywhere with me.
 
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How rigid are they about this? Is it going to depend on the officer who catches you?
Rule itself is 100% clear cut:
If you're using FPV goggles, you can't see the drone and what's around it.

But if you fly "in the middle of nowhere" outside restricted airspace etc don't think any authorities would bother to look into it.
(unless local ones are nitpickers)
 
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Took receipt of the mini 3 pro with RC last week and have had a good play with it now. I had the mavic 2 which went awol in house moves / divorce, no idea what happened to it tbh but let’s not dwell..

Very happy with the air time and the speed of the drone, great camera quality and a fantastic remote, who knew how much better not having to mess about with a phone could be?!

I think I’ll pass on the fly more combo as I never will go beyond the typical 30 mins air time so with that in mind some spare rotors, rotor guards and some ND filters are all I’ll likely buy for it. Couldn’t be happier and who honestly knew how much use you would find with the portrait camera mode? Excellent bit of kit!
 
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