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New Zen3D Parts Rumour

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According to the notorious leaker "Greymon55" there are new Zen3D parts incoming, Likely the 5600X3D and 5900X3D.

Link - https://twitter.com/greymon55/status/1541710124535885824

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So theres new products on the way and its true as this twitter poster says but I'm not going to tell you... so if its true then you know what products it is so tell us. :confused:

I'm also surprised that people would want a 5600X3D which could cost £300+ and a 5900X3D which could be what £450+ if a 5800X3D retails around £420.
 
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Think a 5900X3D would be £500+ at first but it would be a nice chip. If they have 5800X3D's with a dead core it makes sence to sell them as 5600X3D's.
 
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The leaker further down clarified them to be Zen3 parts, If it turns out to be true is another matter.

Just funny the assumptions people make based on a sentence of text with no inference to exact details of what it will be, only vague generalisations. As for the actual announcement being some time in July, then we've got up to 30 more days to continue guessing. :D
 
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So theres new products on the way and its true as this twitter poster says but I'm not going to tell you... so if its true then you know what products it is so tell us. :confused:

I'm also surprised that people would want a 5600X3D which could cost £300+ and a 5900X3D which could be what £450+ if a 5800X3D retails around £420.

I want a 5900X3D if it comes out soon. I could absolutely see how people could want that. If it can manually overclock to 4.6 4.7 GHz all core with SMT off I am sold and that will be my CPU for a long long long time if it comes out in a few weeks and can do what I want.
 
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I want a 5900X3D if it comes out soon. I could absolutely see how people could want that. If it can manually overclock to 4.6 4.7 GHz all core with SMT off I am sold and that will be my CPU for a long long long time if it comes out in a few weeks and can do what I want.

5800x 3D is multiplier locked and overclocking is risky so it's not something I'd buy with intention of doing.
 
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umm AMD did, they said Zen4 wont ever be coming to AM4 recently, also said its not possible, hence pin count changes etc, they did however say they will continue to support the AM4 platform alongside the AM5 platform.

No where in that Tweet does it say AM4, we are also talking about 3D Cache not a Zen4 on an AM4 board. Maybe you just got confused somewhere along the way. :D
 
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The extended V-cache, at least in these early releases for the tech is apparently much more susceptible to issues caused by voltage variance and heat, which is why voltage has been locked down. Apparently one of the reasons they perform better in many cases when undervolted, as the reduced heat allows the core to run at higher clock speeds, without breaking the voltage/heat tolerances specified for the cache. From everything I've read, I don't think its that they were fragile per se, more that they are just more susceptible, and AMD wasn't willing to put out a part with a higher risk of failure, given it was targetted at enthusiasts who are more likely to tweak and abuse the processors, thus increasing RMA rate.

I suspect in future and as the vcache tech matures, they may take the foot off this brake, but wasnt something they were willing to do on intial release (as increased RMA rate would give the chips and therefore the technology a bad reputation; definately not something they wanted).
 
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MLID said these other Zen3D parts are not likely to happen, that AMD are struggling to keep up with Milan X demand.

He's often wrong so we will see, as for Milan X, only the 5800X3D is a full CCD, the 5600X3D and 5900X3D would be 6 core CCD's, i would be surprised if AMD didn't have a pile of 3D 6 core CCD's that wouldn't make the cut for server.

Edit: 6 core CCD's are usually due to one or two cores being defective.
 
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i would be surprised if AMD didn't have a pile of 3D 6 core CCD's that wouldn't make the cut for server.
It's this exact reason I was surprised a 5600X3D didn't launch alongside the 5800X3D. I refuse the believe every stacked chiplet is fully functioning, unless TSMC has some magic trickery whereby they stack the cache after a chiplet has been binned...which can't be true, surely.
 
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A 5600X3D is definitely tempting, especially since I've been mulling over replacing a 3600 with a 5600X. HWUnboxed showed that the difference wasn't much. But at £300, it's no longer a value proposition. Honestly, I might just skip a couple gens. Especially if Zen 4 is just a die-shrunk Zen 3 line rumours say.
 
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unless TSMC has some magic trickery whereby they stack the cache after a chiplet has been binned...which can't be true, surely.
There are some articles about this so i am assuming they do, the yield loss would compound with every die added plus the yield rate for the actual stacking dies and bonding dies to the interposer.
 
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A 5600X3D is definitely tempting, especially since I've been mulling over replacing a 3600 with a 5600X. HWUnboxed showed that the difference wasn't much. But at £300, it's no longer a value proposition. Honestly, I might just skip a couple gens. Especially if Zen 4 is just a die-shrunk Zen 3 line rumours say.


I have read as recently as yesterday AMD is planning to release more AM4 CPUs and budget ones at that. I wonder what budget really means. DO they mean budget just compared to AM5 and Zen 4, or budget period. If budget periods, I could see 5600X3D falling into that category though at the very very high end of budget category.

A 5900X3D is by no means budget except maybe compared to Zen 4. Unless Zen 4 is just a die shrink of Zen 3 which would suck.

I so badly and have for like a year now and overthinking it want something with at least Zen 3 IPC or even preferable Golden Cove IPC with 10-12 cores that can clock at least 4.8GHz or even 5GHz or higher all core. With Zen 3, so hard to even hit 4,7GHz manual all core. Best I found is one CCD that could do it while other was stuck at 4.525GHz and that was with SMT off. Another chip neither CCD seems to be able to do even 4.7GHz at any voltage below 1.35v.

Though Zen 4, I have heard rumblings it does clock much higher even with minimal IPC gains. That would be a game changer as long as that clock much higher is all core all workloads and can be cooled on air. That would be peace for me and make me feel no need to upgrade CPU and RAM for years.
 
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There are some articles about this so i am assuming they do, the yield loss would compound with every die added plus the yield rate for the actual stacking dies and bonding dies to the interposer.
In which case I'd suggest any rumours about addition 3D cache parts for AM4 is fud
 
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With Zen 3, so hard to even hit 4,7GHz manual all core.
Cries in Zen 2 that doesn't even hit its boost clock of 4.2

Zen 4 could be the definitive chip if it really hits 5.5ghz, especially with onboard graphics. I'd take a £200 7600 and £100 mobo with upgradability over a £300 5600X3D. But rumours of a 6ghz Intel are abound. Especially if I'm leaving AM4 and DDR4, so I could go with either team next gen.
 
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