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Surely the highly skilled workers we should be paying high wages to, and attract more people into the profession, that are desperately needed. Win win for Boris, unless he's been talking absolute ***** of course.
We’re going see just how important the government really think they are. Now that the pr benefits covid provided them are over, their true Color’s shall be revealed.
 
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We’re going see just how important the government really think they are. Now that the pr benefits covid provided them are over, their true Color’s shall be revealed.
The lower tier NHS workers have been taking a hit to pay since 2008-10 and are like 20% behind what they ought to be without current inflation adding another 10% onto it. I cannot say that this is sustainable for anyone to just accept whilst also dealing with increasing workload and less staff.
 
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Another 30% will allow them to work 2 days a week rather than 3 :cry:
Yes, the reason general practice is in an absolute state, is that GPs are just lazy :rolleyes: Nothing to do with it being a crap job that nobody wants to do anymore so there's a massive shortage of GPs.

People are waking up to the reality of austerity and decades of cuts...all you get is a fractious workforce, no public services, and no growth.
 
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The lower tier NHS workers have been taking a hit to pay since 2008-10 and are like 20% behind what they ought to be without current inflation adding another 10% onto it. I cannot say that this is sustainable for anyone to just accept whilst also dealing with increasing workload and less staff.
But they get paid more than <insert lower paid occupation here> so they don't deserve a pay rise.

/Tory Mentality
 
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The lower tier NHS workers have been taking a hit to pay since 2008-10 and are like 20% behind what they ought to be without current inflation adding another 10% onto it. I cannot say that this is sustainable for anyone to just accept whilst also dealing with increasing workload and less staff.
...and October is still to come.
 
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Also not forgetting:
But they get paid more than <insert lower paid occupation here> so they should pay twice as much income tax.

/Labour Mentality
We have a progressive tax system under the Torys, or had you not noticed the step up in tax bands as you earn more?

In fact we have the highest overall tax burden since the second world war from being under the Torys, just because they say they are the party of low taxation doesn't mean they are... ;)
 
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We have a progressive tax system under the Torys, or had you not noticed the step up in tax bands as you earn more?

In fact we have the highest overall tax burden since the second world war from being under the Torys, just because they say they are the party of low taxation doesn't mean they are... ;)
Yup. What some people don't appreciate, because it's deliberately designed to avoid it looking so, is that the highest effective rate of tax in the UK is 60%. That means that some people pay more in tax on a specific amount between 100k and 125k than they take home themselves.
 
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Yup. What some people don't appreciate, because it's deliberately designed to avoid it looking so, is that the highest effective rate of tax in the UK is 60%. That means that some people pay more in tax on a specific amount between 100k and 125k than they take home themselves.

Yeah the reduction in your tax free allowance between 100k and 125k I've always thought is strange. Just change the income tax band at 100k rather than doing that.
 
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Yeah the reduction in your tax free allowance between 100k and 125k I've always thought is strange. Just change the income tax band at 100k rather than doing that.
The government that does that would be crucified for taking the tax rate to 60%. So they hide it in this underhand way.

It's simply not worth the extra work and stress pushing to get a payrise above £100k unless you can pile it directly into a pension instead. Then it's worth it.
 
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The government that does that would be crucified for taking the tax rate to 60%. So they hide it in this underhand way.

It's simply not worth the extra work and stress pushing to get a payrise above £100k unless you can pile it directly into a pension instead. Then it's worth it.

Now that's the argument I've always found weird. You're still earning more, you're just being taxed more as well. You're not worse off. If you can make pension contributions or another salary sacrifice scheme (electric car?) then great, but it's still not a bad thing that you've started earning more than 100k, which is what some people seem to feel.
 
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The government that does that would be crucified for taking the tax rate to 60%. So they hide it in this underhand way.

It's simply not worth the extra work and stress pushing to get a payrise above £100k unless you can pile it directly into a pension instead. Then it's worth it.
Millions of small violins are playing the sweetest of songs. C’mon if you’re earning that much then you have broader shoulders. Some people have to worry about how to heat and eat, not how to avoid them paying excess tax above 100k.
 
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Now that's the argument I've always found weird. You're still earning more, you're just being taxed more as well. You're not worse off. If you can make pension contributions or another salary sacrifice scheme (electric car?) then great, but it's still not a bad thing that you've started earning more than 100k, which is what some people seem to feel.
Agree you're not worse off and that you're earning more. But typically, in many jobs, to push above the £100k mark needs a lot of effort and accompanying stress. Let's say working unpaid overtime most weekends (common in my industry and role) would get you a promotion and a £10k payrise, then all you would actually see of that would be £4k. Maybe it's not to be sniffed at. But in the example I just gave you would need to sacrifice many weekends to do that. I'd rather have the free time and spend it with my family.
 

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National Strikes is what we need and some political action behind it... Only one word to blame for it as well "Tories"
 
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Now that's the argument I've always found weird. You're still earning more, you're just being taxed more as well. You're not worse off. If you can make pension contributions or another salary sacrifice scheme (electric car?) then great, but it's still not a bad thing that you've started earning more than 100k, which is what some people seem to feel.
I think you'll always find it a weird argument if you think 40% less for the same work is ok because it's greater than zero. I prefer to take the additional time off as opposed to losing the basic rate, but it's not always feasible due to trying to arrange cover etc.

Handing over 60% of my wages in tax is not worth my effort, and don't forget the NI too.
 
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We have a progressive tax system under the Torys, or had you not noticed the step up in tax bands as you earn more?

In fact we have the highest overall tax burden since the second world war from being under the Torys, just because they say they are the party of low taxation doesn't mean they are... ;)
Nice try.. Labour always want more:
- £80k+ proposed to be 45% vs Tories 40%
- And a higher 50% tier at £125K (Tories are 45% at 150K)

Not that I support the Tories taxation either.. I think I'm saying we are screwed either way.

The one thing in terms of tiered tax rates I struggle with is my salary (fairly generous) covers the entire household.. there are many people I know that have the same household income as we do, but have a substantially lower tax burden.. I'd really like to see a household/family unit be treated fairly as such..

And I don't get the notion that earning £80k (for example) suddenly means you deserve a higher tax rate.. that's not a mechanism aimed at fat cats, but workers.. (even if well paid).. Labour predicted 6% of the workforce will shortly earn north of £80k.. IMO I have no problems with those 'workers' that contribute more to the growth of a company that employs more people and spends more with supply chain etc, they are a positive contributor to the economy and should not get the wrath of envy thrown on them.. I'd say you want to be careful of stifling a meritocracy so quickly unless you want a race to bottom and all that brings with it..
 
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