Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Man of Honour
13 Oct 2006
When I saw the video of the Ukranians on the Russian border earlier I sort of hoped that they would keep going...

It is a bit of a complicated one as in some respects strategically causing Russia concern in some areas by putting pressure on Russian territory could weaken their ability to maintain advances in other parts of Ukraine. Politically and morally though it is a messy one.

It hasn't been covered in the media but there has been sporadic shelling and attacks on military infrastructure in Belgorod Oblast in recent days though so far isolated incidents.
16 Aug 2009
Swedish air force doing training over Gotland - dunno if in any way related to the Russian Navy flights in and out of Kaliningrad.
Probably related to russian incursions into Swedish airspace - also there was a little matter of one of those russian TV documentaries a la we'll nuke Britain in minutes/cause a tsunami except this was about russia seizing Gotland and using that as a platform to invade neutral sweden and from that a springboard into NATO territory - it was from a few years ago but the canny Ukrainians retweeted it recently and it seems to have gotten the swedes rattled enough maybe to want to sign up to NATO. Talk about scoring an own goal, russia.

Gotland would make a useful base for baltic operations for sure.
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19 May 2004
Nordfriesland, Germany
Can one country veto it?

Yes, and also no. They could absolutely stop Sweden/Finland joining NATO, but Sweden/Finland's aim is to secure mutual defence pacts with the US (mostly) and the other NATO powers (particularly the UK) and there's nothing stopping the other NATO members signing up to such a pact or going on manoeuvrers and training exercises together.
7 Jun 2020
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29 May 2005
So how Putin going to react to Finland and Sweden if there military infrastructure get upgraded?

As for Turkey

But President Erdogan has stated Turkey will not approve their bids to join Nato.

He has labelled Sweden a "hatchery" for terrorist organisations, claiming there are terrorists within parliament.

Turkey accuses Sweden and Finland of sheltering people it says are linked to groups it deems terrorists, namely the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militant group and followers of Fethullah Gulen, whom Ankara accuses of orchestrating the 2016 coup attempt against President Erdogan and his government.
16 Jun 2005
The way Erdogan acts I'm not that sure Turkey would help even if another nato country was invaded.
29 May 2005
A lieutenant-colonel was accused of personally shooting dead multiple troops as they lay injured. The commander asked one soldier if he could walk, and when the man replied he could not, the officer killed him instantly.The chilling account comes from young army intelligence troops captured by the Ukrainians.

29 Jan 2008
25 Nov 2005
No wonder they had incidents with one CO getting run over by one of his own guys... maybe someone will shoot this guy in the back given the opportunity.

It appears there's a lot of issues with their command structure, the FSB are taking commanders away for failing to perform or just flat out refusing to follow orders

It's also rumoured the Tiktok brigade Chechens are there not only to shoot videos but to shoot any soldiers who want to retreat proper old school communist game that
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